Need advice about which tool to choose?Ask the StackShare community!

Dramatiq

0
35
+ 1
0
ZeroMQ

260
581
+ 1
71
Add tool
Advice on Dramatiq and ZeroMQ
Meili Triantafyllidi
Software engineer at Digital Science · | 6 upvotes · 440.6K views
Needs advice
on
Amazon SQSAmazon SQSRabbitMQRabbitMQ
and
ZeroMQZeroMQ

Hi, we are in a ZMQ set up in a push/pull pattern, and we currently start to have more traffic and cases that the service is unavailable or stuck. We want to: * Not loose messages in services outages * Safely restart service without losing messages (ZeroMQ seems to need to close the socket in the receiver before restart manually)

Do you have experience with this setup with ZeroMQ? Would you suggest RabbitMQ or Amazon SQS (we are in AWS setup) instead? Something else?

Thank you for your time

See more
Replies (2)
Shishir Pandey
Recommends
on
RabbitMQRabbitMQ

ZeroMQ is fast but you need to build build reliability yourself. There are a number of patterns described in the zeromq guide. I have used RabbitMQ before which gives lot of functionality out of the box, you can probably use the worker queues example from the tutorial, it can also persists messages in the queue.

I haven't used Amazon SQS before. Another tool you could use is Kafka.

See more
Kevin Deyne
Principal Software Engineer at Accurate Background · | 5 upvotes · 199.5K views
Recommends
on
RabbitMQRabbitMQ

Both would do the trick, but there are some nuances. We work with both.

From the sound of it, your main focus is "not losing messages". In that case, I would go with RabbitMQ with a high availability policy (ha-mode=all) and a main/retry/error queue pattern.

Push messages to an exchange, which sends them to the main queue. If an error occurs, push the errored out message to the retry exchange, which forwards it to the retry queue. Give the retry queue a x-message-ttl and set the main exchange as a dead-letter-exchange. If your message has been retried several times, push it to the error exchange, where the message can remain until someone has time to look at it.

This is a very useful and resilient pattern that allows you to never lose messages. With the high availability policy, you make sure that if one of your rabbitmq nodes dies, another can take over and messages are already mirrored to it.

This is not really possible with SQS, because SQS is a lot more focused on throughput and scaling. Combined with SNS it can do interesting things like deduplication of messages and such. That said, one thing core to its design is that messages have a maximum retention time. The idea is that a message that has stayed in an SQS queue for a while serves no more purpose after a while, so it gets removed - so as to not block up any listener resources for a long time. You can also set up a DLQ here, but these similarly do not hold onto messages forever. Since you seem to depend on messages surviving at all cost, I would suggest that the scaling/throughput benefit of SQS does not outweigh the difference in approach to messages there.

See more
Get Advice from developers at your company using StackShare Enterprise. Sign up for StackShare Enterprise.
Learn More
Pros of Dramatiq
Pros of ZeroMQ
    Be the first to leave a pro
    • 23
      Fast
    • 20
      Lightweight
    • 11
      Transport agnostic
    • 7
      No broker required
    • 4
      Low level APIs are in C
    • 4
      Low latency
    • 1
      Open source
    • 1
      Publish-Subscribe

    Sign up to add or upvote prosMake informed product decisions

    Cons of Dramatiq
    Cons of ZeroMQ
      Be the first to leave a con
      • 5
        No message durability
      • 3
        Not a very reliable system - message delivery wise
      • 1
        M x N problem with M producers and N consumers

      Sign up to add or upvote consMake informed product decisions

      No Stats
      - No public GitHub repository available -

      What is Dramatiq?

      A distributed task queueing library that is simple and has sane defaults for most SaaS workloads. It draws inspiration from GAE Push Queues and Sidekiq.

      What is ZeroMQ?

      The 0MQ lightweight messaging kernel is a library which extends the standard socket interfaces with features traditionally provided by specialised messaging middleware products. 0MQ sockets provide an abstraction of asynchronous message queues, multiple messaging patterns, message filtering (subscriptions), seamless access to multiple transport protocols and more.

      Need advice about which tool to choose?Ask the StackShare community!

      What companies use Dramatiq?
      What companies use ZeroMQ?
      See which teams inside your own company are using Dramatiq or ZeroMQ.
      Sign up for StackShare EnterpriseLearn More

      Sign up to get full access to all the companiesMake informed product decisions

      What tools integrate with Dramatiq?
      What tools integrate with ZeroMQ?
        No integrations found
        What are some alternatives to Dramatiq and ZeroMQ?
        Celery
        Celery is an asynchronous task queue/job queue based on distributed message passing. It is focused on real-time operation, but supports scheduling as well.
        JavaScript
        JavaScript is most known as the scripting language for Web pages, but used in many non-browser environments as well such as node.js or Apache CouchDB. It is a prototype-based, multi-paradigm scripting language that is dynamic,and supports object-oriented, imperative, and functional programming styles.
        Git
        Git is a free and open source distributed version control system designed to handle everything from small to very large projects with speed and efficiency.
        GitHub
        GitHub is the best place to share code with friends, co-workers, classmates, and complete strangers. Over three million people use GitHub to build amazing things together.
        Python
        Python is a general purpose programming language created by Guido Van Rossum. Python is most praised for its elegant syntax and readable code, if you are just beginning your programming career python suits you best.
        See all alternatives